Robert: I rest my case.The rank and file of us pitchers don't have this issue, because we do not throw enough doubles for it to be a factor. Then, again, maybe it's the accumulation of 1% here and 1% there that allows us to move up to the elite pitching level and into the top 100 in the World. Thanks for the insight. I guess I won't be going back to the Mustangs, after all. I have to move on. I guess I'll have to do some research and find out what the top turn pitchers are using.